008 — Sisters Share a Brain
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This episode Julian finds out if cartoon logic could power your sail boat and Trace tries to answer the question “can we have a hive mind?” But, of course, if we did, I guess you’d already know the answer.
QUESTIONS
Julian: "Could a sail boat be powered by a fan?" from Samara D
Trace: "What if all humans shared the same brain?" from X
WATCH the man “power” his mop bucket with a LEAF BLOWER
CREDITS
This episode of That's Absurd Please Elaborate was written by Trace Dominguez and Julian Huguet, edited by Kyle Sisk, and produced by all three of us. Special thanks to friends and family for listening to the edits and help us make this better. Episode art was created in Midjourney. Transcripts using Whisper and tweaked by us.
Thanks for listening to That's Absurd Please Elaborate. We appreciate you!
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Julian
Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode
Trace
And I'm the other co-host, Trace Dominguez.
Julian
of "That's Absurd Please Elaborate." I'm your co-host, Julian Huguet We're happy to have you here. In every episode of That's Absurd, Please Elaborate, we assign each other a question to answer.
Trace
Those questions could be ridiculous. They could be silly. They can be far out. They can be whatever. And then we use our science communication talents to find a real scholarly-ish answer.
Julian
Yes. Well, we do our best, okay?
Trace
- Yeah. (laughing) - That was a very affirmative answer, yes.
Julian
We're really trying over here. Yeah, and then I had to back off a little bit
Trace
- And then I had to stop. (laughing)
Julian
because I remembered who I am and what I do
Trace
- I do actually.
Julian
and how I operate and I was like, you know, it'll be fun. It'll be fun at least. Before we kick off our questions and get into our answers, do you have any science news that caught your eye this week that you want to talk about? From the mantle?
Trace
So I like to keep an eye on, you know, prize to the science-y stuff that's going on just for both this podcast, but also other things that I do. And Science Magazine just published that, quote, "At long last, ocean drillers exhume a bounty of rocks "from Earth's mantle." That's right.
Julian
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Just like me. That's why I'm so unavailable. Emotionally.
Trace
So I thought that was pretty cool 'cause we've all seen those science fiction films of like getting to the Earth's core and like, you know, journey to the center of the Earth and all of that. And the core is really, it's really far and basically impossible to get to 'cause it's so hot. Yeah, and so-- (stammering) Well, you should talk to your wife about that. (laughing)
Julian
That's her biggest complaint, is how hot I am.
Trace
Do you know where the thinnest part of the crust is?
Julian
Not that I'm emotionally unable. Oh, okay.
Trace
Not your crust, but the Earth's.
Julian
I mean, I'd have to assume, like, the ocean floor, right?
Trace
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that makes total sense, right? You're not gonna go start drilling
Julian
Yeah. No, that's more...
Trace
at the top of like the Rocky Mountains and be like, "We're gonna get to the crust from here just to you know
Julian
That's more rock. First of all, why would you carry all this drilling equipment up the mountain, and then, You know, at the very least start at sea level, but under the sea level, more smarter, right?
Trace
more smarter wait is earth just like like a delicious like truffle chocolate with like a praline interior
Julian
Less thick, so you can get to the gooey mantle underneath, right? Yeah. Wait. A brownie? You're gonna say a brownie. You're thinking of a brownie. Mmm. Mm-hmm. I think... I think I see I went brownie because I'm thinking like the edge pieces you know they get all
Trace
That's spicy because it's you know, it's hot. Mmm, crusty.
Julian
all crispy but then you want the gooey mantle underneath and then of course in the center of the brownie is a big ball of iron.
Trace
Welcome to That's Absurd, please eat a lot. This is... We did, we had, we made brownies.
Julian
We did have brownies before recording. Your wife was like, "Hi, Julian, you want a brownie?" I was like, "Yes!"
Trace
She loves making brownies, it's like her favorite thing.
Julian
It was really good.
Trace
Okay, back to the science news
Julian
It reminded me of the earth.
Trace
In 1961 there was a mission to get crust rock. Below the earth's crust is the mantle the mantle just has liquefied or you know molten really rock
Julian
Yeah.
Trace
I say liquefied But it's essentially like molten rock so to drill through the crust to get to the mantle to get that mantle rock Why would we want to do that? We want to learn about the earth learn about how it came to be how we got here everything
Julian
Did we also want to do it to beat the Reds?
Trace
You know, probably. Yeah. Maybe. I think, you know, you could be right. I would totally
Julian
Like, you say 1961 and I'm thinking that's the same year that Kennedy's like, "We will go to the moon and do the other things." Were these the other things? Because the I always the vagueness of that speech always bothered me Did we have a secret race to the center of the earth? So if we lost to the Ruskies we could be like a big deal. We got to the mantle. Let's see you do that communism!
Trace
I would totally watch that movie. Yeah. Oh, wow. I'm trying to think of a clever name because Inner Space Race is really great, but like, that seems more like a mental health challenge, which is also important. So anyway, this month, even though they started in the 60s, this month they finally were able to do it. They succeeded drilling below the the seabed in the mid-Atlantic Ocean and collected a core of rock, so like a tube of rock, that's a kilometer long. It consists largely of perioditite, a kind of upper mantle rock, although it's not clear about the samples yet. It's pretty cool looking, there are pictures here on this science article. So there's not much to know yet. Obviously, they just got the samples, but they're going to use these to learn more about how our planet came to be. And I thought That's pretty frickin' cool.
Julian
That is... and hot.
Trace
- Okay. - And hot.
Julian
And... pretty cool. And hot.
Trace
- And feel good.
Julian
And you know what? Take that, Soviet Union.
Trace
- Yeah, we beat you to the core.
Julian
Yeah! Wait, unless... What scientist...
Trace
- Okay.
Julian
Where did the scientists who actually managed to break through...
Trace
- Oh, shoot.
Julian
Where were they... Where were they from? Does it say? You closed it.
Trace
I closed the website. International Ocean Discovery Program. So a international group of scientists. However, Jessica Warren, a mantle geochemist at the University of Delaware, says that quote, "Getting down to this really fresh stuff "has been a dream for decades and decades. "We're finally gonna see the Wizard of Oz." That's pretty exciting. There's also a person from Cardiff University, so that's in Wales. Seems like a international group, University of California, Santa Cruz. I'm just skimming for mentions of other universities.
Julian
Hmm, okay, alright.
Trace
They said they've already started research on the rocks
Julian
Yeah, they didn't break through and find like a whole hollow earth with dinosaurs and stuff.
Trace
and eventually they will be able to be researched by everyone. pretty awesome. Yeah. Oh, I wish they had, think about it, dinosaurs and stuff. They
Julian
Ah. I know.
Trace
would of course all be Soviet dinosaurs now. You know, because you got the hammer hitting
Julian
Curse you, Lenin! *laughing* I'm just imagining a chorus of velociraptors singing.
Trace
Because it's always, anytime there's a Soviet thing, they gotta have that handful sent. [laughter]
Julian
Like the national anthem. *singing* I don't know the words, but anyway. Oh no!
Trace
I mean, is that even the right tune? I wouldn't have even known.
Julian
Oh no, communist dinosaurs!
Trace
Communist dinosaur. Reagan's biggest fear!
Julian
*laughing* The real threat of Jurassic Park.
Trace
What are we gonna do?
Julian
*laughing*
Trace
We've gotta stop those damn dinosaurs. Again, I would watch this movie! It would be so good! Okay, let's get to our questions.
Julian
Let's, let's, serious time, very serious this time.
Trace
Honestly, I want to know your question/answer so badly.
Julian
*laughing* I'm, I'm dying to share it.
Trace
I wanna start with you, 'cause I'm just really pumped.
Julian
First of all, I, I know I came over and like,
Trace
I don't know if you can hear me.
Julian
My first urge every time I visit before we start recording is to just blurt the entire
Trace
I'm sorry. I don't know if you can hear me. I'm sorry. I don't know if you can hear me. I'm sorry. I don't know if you can hear me.
Julian
answer out to you, but I have to save it because it's, to me, it's always like the joy is in
Trace
I'm sorry. I don't know if you can hear me. I'm sorry. I don't know if you can hear me. I'm sorry. I don't know if you can hear me.
Julian
getting to share it and the discovery.
Trace
I'm sorry.
Julian
But first, before we go into that, let me just say, this question was actually submitted
Trace
I don't know if you can hear me. I'm sorry. I don't know if you can hear me. I'm sorry. I don't know if you can hear me.
Julian
by a listener.
Trace
I'm sorry.
Julian
I...
Trace
I don't know if you can hear me.
Julian
I...
Trace
I'm sorry.
Julian
No!
Trace
I don't know if you can hear me.
Julian
This was from Samara D. She submitted several questions and one rather lovely compliment.
Trace
I'm sorry. Thanks, Amara.
Julian
Thank you, Samara. Appreciate it.
Trace
That's so nice of you.
Julian
Um, so of her several questions, this one stuck out because I was like, yes, that is an Absurd question if there ever was one. It's a classic. You'll know exactly what I'm talking about, but here, I'll read her question verbatim from her submission. Samara writes, "This question was inspired by a YouTube video I was watching, one of those silly life hack or beating the system videos that may or may not be fake. One of the entries was a man who had created a rather fast vehicle by sitting in one of those yellow janitor carts, holding an umbrella out in front of him like a sail, and blowing a leaf blower into the sail. In the footage, it appears to be quite effective, but I wasn't sure if it was really plausible. Could a vehicle with sails be powered by an anthropogenic wind source located on the vehicle, or would the equal and opposite forces of the wind cancel each other out? Sincerely, Samara D.
Trace
I read this too and we were on the phone talking about what questions we were gonna pick and I was like
Julian
Yeah.
Trace
This is a Julian question. It is so classic and I love it
Julian
It's so Looney Tunes logic, right?
Trace
What really
Julian
Like, you've seen it in, like, Tom and Jerry or whatever, where, like, somebody gets in a boat and holds up a fan, and then, like, blows the fan into the sail, and it works, right? And it's, like, total cartoon logic. So I actually found the video that Samara was referencing. Yes, I did.
Trace
Oh, wow, of course it's in Florida.
Julian
I have it right here. Now obviously this is an audio medium. So sharing it or sharing it with you. Yeah, it's a guy in Florida
Trace
Whoa!
Julian
But you can see he takes his little janitor mop bucket. Yeah, right
Trace
Yeah, bright yellow, he's sitting on it.
Julian
He sits in it revs up his his leaf blower. There we go. Yeah, except
Trace
Sleeve blower and there he goes. Yeah, definitely.
Julian
It's definitely fake. All right when you look
Trace
Firstly, we only see him going for like 10 or 12 seconds.
Julian
Well more importantly when you actually look more closely the mop bucket is on an electric skateboard
Trace
(computer beeping) (gasps)
Julian
And you can see it just underneath him. You can see the little power pack and you can see the skateboard wheels
Trace
Oh! Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
Julian
Right, and he's right. Yeah, and he's just comically shaking his umbrella out in front of him as he goes along
Trace
He motorized his mop bucket. Look, I don't want to be a nitpicker,
Julian
Yeah
Trace
but you can also tell that the umbrella is not propelling him for the same reason you can always tell when a computer-animated sailboat is on the screen, because typically
Julian
[inaudible]
Trace
the sailboat has the flags going backwards, as if the boat is being propelled not by the wind. So if you think of a pirate flag on a pirate ship, it should be blowing in the same direction of travel. And so you don't think of it that way because we think of boats as motorized, so it's like your boat is going and the pirate flag is flying in the wind behind the boat. But even if it were hanging off the back of the boat, the wind is what is propelling the boat, so the flag would be blowing onto the boat. And so this is the
Julian
Hmm.
Trace
It's same thing. If you look at the umbrella, the umbrella is concave because he's pushing the air, the air is pushing the umbrella toward him as opposed to him pushing the air into the umbrella. So that, that gave it away for me. But I still appreciate that we're going look into this and whether or not it could be possible if done correctly.
Julian
Okay, so my first instinct despite this video being fake was this can't work, right?
Trace
Yeah. Right. Like.
Julian
Like, thinking of Newton's third law, which is "every action has an equal and opposite reaction," right? I think this is probably the least well understood among the general population of what it actually means, right?
Julian
People think like, "Oh, this means I push on something, therefore I move in the opposite direction." What Newton's third law is actually referencing is how two objects exert forces on each other…
Trace
Which makes sense, because if you have a really weak hammer and you hit something.
Julian
The hammer exerts a force on the nail, and the nail exerts an equal and opposite force on the hammer.
Trace
Yes! And the hammer could break. The hammer wouldn't break unless the thing was exerting force back on it.
Julian
Exactly. Okay. So, my first thought is like, okay, if you've got a fan, and a fan is blowing air towards the front of the boat, towards the bow, right? That should theoretically, if there were no sail, push the boat backwards, right? This is the principle that propeller airplanes. Jet airplanes work on, is you take a massive air, you throw it in one direction, right? You apply a force to this massive air, and the air applies that same force on your propeller or your jet and pushes it forward.
Trace
Right, so that's- I'm thinking of a fan boat. I mean, the fan boat blows backward, sucking air through the boat's base, and pushing it out the back of the boat, propelling the boat forward. [AUDIO OUT]
Julian
It accelerates that air, the air has mass, you've got a force, push the boat forward.
Trace
Right.
Julian
That same force is applied forward on the boat.
Trace
Like the air is a rope, and you're pulling along.
Julian
Now let's say you've got just a sail, right, on the boat, no fan, wind blows into the sail, right, and the sail has resistance and the air pushes the sail forward. But if the fan is pushing air into the sail, right, you'd think those two forces would cancel each other out.
Trace
If the fan is on the boat, then the force from the thing,
Julian
If the fan is on the boat, Yeah. First, you would go to the big bank,
Trace
like the fan, we'll say, the big fan,
Julian
and then you would go to the small bank,
Trace
I'm thinking a fan boat, not a leaf blower,
Julian
and then you would go to the big bank,
Trace
is like on the boat, blowing into the fan,
Julian
and then you would go to the small fan, and then you would go to the big fan,
Trace
or into the sail, and the force would just be a circle,
Julian
Yeah, into the sail. And then you would go to the first pier, Right.
Trace
it'd just translate to itself.
Julian
for the first free-sailing. It would be equal and opposite, you would think, right?
Trace
- It would be-- - Yeah, exactly, yeah.
Julian
Yeah, exactly. And the boat would go nowhere. Okay, that's what I thought too.
Trace
We talked about this briefly
Julian
But that would be that, you'd start to have a little bit of a problem,
Trace
when we were talking about the question,
Julian
[inaudible]
Trace
And I thought, but is the energy from the wind or from like, if it's a battery powered fan, isn't the energy from the battery involved somehow? I don't know. I was like, I could see, I think that's why people are so intrigued by this 'cause you can see how it might work.
Julian
Yeah, so, well the battery takes chemical energy, converts it to electrical energy,
Trace
- Yeah, so, (indistinct) - Yeah, mechanical to do work and yeah.
Julian
and then the motor in the fan converts the electrical energy to kinetic, and that's translated
Trace
*unintelligible*
Julian
the air, but you'd think the forces all in all would balance each other out, right?
Trace
You'd think, I'd think.
Julian
That's wrong.
Trace
They don't. So, wait.
Julian
They don't. Yes.
Trace
Are you telling me I could do this?
Julian
Yes. See, that's what I assumed.
Trace
I could put a fan on a boat.
Julian
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Trace
And point it at the sail.
Julian
Okay, let me explain. Let me explain.
Trace
And move the boat.
Julian
I know it feels to my very core wrong, right? Because it's so looney-toon.
Trace
*unintelligable*
Julian
It's so looney-toon. It's so looney-toon.
Trace
Okay, tell me how. I need to know how.
Julian
It's so looney-toon. It's so looney-toon.
Trace
This seems wrong.
Julian
It's so looney-toon.
Trace
*unintelligable*
Julian
It's so looney-toon. It's so looney-toon.
Trace
And yet, I, oh, I get, I, oh, I wanna know.
Julian
It's so looney-toon. It's so looney-toon. It's so looney-toon. Because it's so looney tunes!
Trace
Yes, it feels Wile E. Coyote to me, yes.
Julian
Yeah, feels funny. Now here's the thing, here's the thing, okay?
Trace
Mm-hmm.
Julian
Let's say your sail is just a big flat piece of cardboard or plastic or something, right? There's no curve to it.
Trace
Oh.
Julian
So, in this instance, the boat wouldn't go anywhere. Right? Because the air hits it, and then the air gets deflected by the sails to both sides, right?
Trace
Got it.
Julian
And let's assume that it's equally blowing in both directions, so the sideways...
Trace
Yeah, we're assuming a lot of perfection here, but that's fine.
Julian
Yeah, so it's going to be a lot of air. Yeah, so the sideways forces are in balance. So the boat goes nowhere if your sail is
Trace
[AUDIO OUT]
Julian
Concave you will get forward motion Because what happens is the air hits the sail and the sail takes it and curves the path of the air So it's actually getting pushed behind the boat. So you have a net movement of that air
Trace
the air is sort of pushing against other air.
Julian
Yeah, so what the air from the fan it's analogous to if instead of the fan blowing into a sail
Trace
- Yes, the air. - So it's a really inefficient fan boat.
Julian
You just hooked a tube up to the fan and pointed the tube backwards It would effectively be the same thing that massive air is being directed backwards propelling the boat forward Exactly it's it would be the dumbest way of doing it because
Trace
Wow.
Julian
When that air gets channeled back past the fan some of it gets recirculated by the fan into the sail
Trace
(audio garbles speech) (audio garbles speech)
Julian
So your total mass of air getting tossed backwards is lower. So the boat goes
Trace
[AUDIO OUT]
Julian
Slowly and this isn't like hypothetical. I found like a science retired science teacher by the name of Bruce Gini who actually demonstrated this MythBusters did this in like 2012 and the videos are up online so you can actually see that yes
Trace
Wow. [AUDIO OUT]
Julian
It does in fact move the boat forward now it would be a lot more efficient to just turn the fan around and blow directly behind you.
Trace
Yeah. [AUDIO OUT] Backward cuz then we're just doing what the jet would do or a fan boat or a propeller plane
Julian
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're cutting out the middleman of like having the sail redirected
Trace
Right
Julian
and do a poor job of it. But the key takeaway, though, is because it's the same air that's,
Trace
Hmm
Julian
you know, the fan is pushing forward, but ultimately is going backwards. That does provide a net forward motion. Yeah. Now, this got me thinking, is the way I think sails work wrong? Yeah.
Trace
What?
Julian
Okay. So, yeah, yeah, you did.
Trace
I don't know how sales work all of a sudden. I thought I did until now now you're making me thinking about it
Julian
Okay. So here, here's the thing.
Trace
I don't know it. Please elaborate Okay
Julian
Old-timey, like, square sails on pirate ships and galleons and whatnot, those work how you think they work, right? big rectangle, wind blows into them, pushes against the sail and that pushes the whole boat forward.
Trace
Yeah, got it
Julian
Sails today don't work like that. Modern sailing boats do not operate using that
Trace
(audio glitches) - Right, I always wondered, I mean I knew the term tacky,
Julian
principle because with that you can only travel if the wind's at your back.
Trace
but where you go kind of like back and forth
Julian
Tacking it's a good one Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah
Trace
across the face of the wind, so you can,
Julian
Mm-hmm
Trace
it takes you longer to get there, like a switch back up a mountain, but you're still using the wind just like on edge.
Julian
Yes, yeah you you're you're on the right track you're on the right tack
Trace
Instead of direct, but I don't know how sailboats. I don't know how sailboats work. I guess I
Julian
No
Trace
Like the cut to your jib Where's it jibe? We needed a sail. Where are you rich? I'm not rich. I don't have a sail
Julian
No, I'm not I can't afford to actually sail I can only I can only look up how it works
Trace
Yeah, no, we need some rich people [ Laughter ]
Julian
I can't experience it for myself Anyway, so here's here's how sails on modern sailboats work is they actually basically operate with the same principle that an airplane wing
Trace
[ Silence ]
Julian
Use when you yeah
Trace
>> Hmm. [ Silence ]
Julian
When you direct the sail when you're a sailor on a boat You don't have the wind blowing directly into the sail to push you along you actually put the sail pretty much edge on into the wind. Maybe a little bit of an angle, right? And so this angle, you know, blows the
Trace
>> Hmm. Hmm Wow
Julian
sail into a curved shape. And then the wind traveling across this curve has the same effect that air over an airplane wing has. The air going over the curved part in the front has to accelerate, which means it becomes low pressure. The air behind the sail doesn't have to accelerate, so it's high pressure, so the difference in pressure propels the boat. Yeah, you get a force vector. But the thing is, the vector of the force is kind of, usually it's off
Trace
I don't.
Julian
to one side of the boat, right? It's not directly straight ahead, it's kind of pushing to the
Trace
Yeah, I need a little leeway, but where does that come from?
Julian
side. Like you said, you tack a little bit, you go, there's some, what's called leeway, you know the term, right? Like we use it all the time and, "Oh, I need a little bit of leeway," right? Right. From sailing. Because the lee is the side of the boat opposite where the wind is
Trace
Okay.
Julian
coming from, right? So you get pushed, um, not directly in the direction you're pointing,
Trace
[ Pause ]
Julian
you've got a little bit of leeway. You go off to an angle a little bit to the side.
Trace
Oh.
Julian
Now, when your boat does that, underneath the boat you've got another wing. The keel.
Trace
[ Pause ] Oh.
Julian
Yeah. And the keel in modern boats is designed to function just like the sail, like a wing.
Trace
[ Pause ]
Julian
And when it hits the water at an angle, you know, with some angle of attack, you would say, that also creates a difference in pressure under the boat.
Trace
But using drag instead or like, because it's a fluid, it's just a denser fluid.
Julian
No, it's the same exact idea, because air and water, they're fluids.
Trace
Yeah.
Julian
Exactly, right?
Trace
[AUDIO OUT]
Julian
So the air going over one side of the keel is low pressure, the other side is high pressure,
Trace
Whoa.
Julian
and that also pushes on the boat. And the vector of that force from the keel is pointing the other direction from the vector from the force of the wind.
Trace
- Whoa. Wow.
Julian
And the net vector in the middle is the direction that the boat travels. I know!
Trace
I'm like rethinking every video and movie
Julian
I had no clue! [inaudible]
Trace
and rich person thing that I've ever seen about boats.
Julian
Yeah. It's actually a lot more interesting than I ever thought it was.
Trace
Wow.
Julian
I know! It's so cool!
Trace
That's cool.
Julian
And because of this, you can sail just about in any direction.
Trace
(audio cuts out) Like a little cut into it, yeah.
Julian
You can't go straight into the wind. You've got to have a little bit of a leeway. Yeah, a little bit, but you can still travel faster than the wind is blowing.
Trace
(audio cuts out) Wow, because it's really just about like
Julian
and in just about any direction. [inaudible]
Trace
how you can get that airplane wing, if you will,
Julian
Yeah. [inaudible]
Trace
to pick up the air. That is amazing.
Julian
Yeah. Isn't that amazing? So thank you, Samara, for this wonderful question,
Trace
(audio cuts out)
Julian
both because all my assumptions about everything were wrong,
Trace
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.
Julian
both about how, you know, pointing a fan at a sail
Trace
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.
Julian
couldn't possibly work, and about just how sails work in general.
Trace
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.
Julian
So I learned a ton on this one.
Trace
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.
Julian
This was so cool.
Trace
Whoa, follow up question.
Julian
It would have to be off to the side.
Trace
In a modern sailboat, you can't point a fan at the wing. Yes, you could. But you could do it because you're just would...
Julian
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Trace
The fan would just turn the sail into the airplane wing shape that it needs to cut through the wind.
Julian
It might even be better than the way we assume that sales should work with the fan directly
Trace
So it could work there too? [inaudible]
Julian
behind them just off to the side.
Trace
That was awesome.
Julian
So cool.
Trace
Samara D, thank you for that question.
Julian
Great, great question. Great, great question.
Trace
It was amazing. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Julian
Let's do a quick break.
Trace
back and we'll get to my question.
Julian
[Music]
Trace
[MUSIC]
Julian
Welcome back to That's Absurd. Please elaborate. We hope you're having a good time. I know we are so far. That sailboat thing still trips me up, but I know.
Trace
Oh my God, I don't even know what to think.
Julian
We've got to
Trace
My question also comes from a listener, although they didn't leave their name, which is too
Julian
continue on though, because Trace, what is your question for this episode? [Inaudible] [Inaudible] but
Trace
bad. But thank you for submitting questions to all of those who did. And there are quite
Julian
*sigh* *unintelligible*
Trace
a few questions that we have, so we're really excited about that. So we're picking two this
Julian
*unintelligible* *unintelligible*
Trace
week in part to just encourage y'all to keep asking. And my question is, what if all humans
Julian
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Trace
shared the same brain? It's weird to think about. That's what, right, that is what you
Julian
Ooooooooh. Ooooooooh. Yeah, I know what you're thinking. Is what I'd say if I had your brain. There'd be no secrets.
Trace
would say. Science to support. Yes. Hang on, we're gonna get there. So, the actual question
Julian
Say what now? Somebody else-- somebody with research dollars and a good mind for this sort of thing has looked into this? So, uh, the actual question is, what's the role of the computer in the world?
Trace
is worded like this. What if all of humanity shared and was controlled by a single massive consciousness? And that is a very interesting question that I sort of get to, but first
Julian
That's a very interesting thing. I'm going to say, there are no [AUDIO OUT]
Trace
I wanted to say, there are no species that actually share a brain. And thus, there's
Julian
Hmm. [AUDIO OUT]
Trace
nothing in science, like hard science, that we can actually pull from in order to inspire this question. So instead of diving right into what if we all shared a massive consciousness
Julian
OK. [AUDIO OUT]
Trace
and we're all controlled by that, I thought instead we should look at species that may
Julian
controlled by that, but instead, it's those apps that make their pretty.
Trace
may share brains or have multiple brains. And there are some. But before we get into
Julian
- Hmm. - (audio cuts out)
Trace
it, there are humans that share brains. Yeah, they're called craniopagus twins. It's a type
Julian
- Oh, okay. - Yeah. (audio cuts out) - Yeah, I bet.
Trace
of conjoined twin. It's extremely rare, even for conjoined twins, which is already rare, it's actually the rarest form of conjoined twin. And if you're not aware what a conjoined
Julian
(audio cutting out)
Trace
twin is it's a twin that when born it's two humans that are joined in some way.
Julian
(inaudible)
Trace
So like the phrase joined at the hip comes from that where it's like you might have been born with you know an arm that is shared with another human
Julian
[AUDIO OUT]
Trace
body and if you are shared at the head and that is the craniopapus twin. It's one in two
Julian
Right. [ Inaudible ]
Trace
and a half million live births. They don't typically survive very long after birth because it's kind of a tough way to live. And even with a low incidence though, there are births every year this way. And every year a separation is attempted and some do survive. There are examples all throughout medical history of twins surviving this, mainly in modern day because of brain imaging, we can kind of separate the safe.
Julian
[INAUDIBLE]
Trace
However, sometimes their parents don't elect to separate, which is
Julian
Okay. [inaudible]
Trace
the case of Krista and Tatiana Hogan. They were born in British Columbia, Canada. There's actually a documentary about them called Inseparable, and they are joined at the head, but they are two separate bodies, two arms, two eyes, two noses, mouths, legs, you know, well, four legs, four arms, really. But they are joined in a way that is so interesting and unique in all of science. It's called the thalamic bridge.
Julian
Oh, okay.
Trace
So the thalamus is a part of the brain.
Julian
The South Pacific Pacific Coast is a beautiful place to live, it's a wonderful place to grow up.
Trace
It's the relay station between all different parts of the brain. So they all kind of go through the thalamus.
Julian
Every single day, we have a special time with our family, and it all shows in the way that we live.
Trace
Every sense that you experience except olfaction goes through the thalamus. And it also goes through some of the motor skill sections.
Julian
(Audio issues)
Trace
And so this means these twins can do a lot of stuff that this question asker wants to know, or at least wants to kind of get insight into. So for example, Krista's eyes, Tatiana can see out of them, even though she
Julian
Whoa! (Audio issues)
Trace
She is a different human. She can see through her eyes. And the reverse is also true, but Krista can only see out of one of Tatiana's two eyes.
Julian
I'm going to go ahead and click on it. And I'm going to click on it. And I'm going to
Trace
And they've proven this using experimentation. Tatiana controls three of Krista's arms and one leg. Krista controls three legs and one arm. They can talk to each other without speaking, by thinking. They can talk in their head, as they call it.
Julian
create the airport. And right now I'm going to pick up land. Unless you guys notice, I
Trace
Yeah. read each other's minds. It sounds incredible and amazing. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. You know, they have a lot of other medical issues. They have diabetes, they have epileptic seizures, they have to have daily blood tests, take a lot of medication to stay alive. They're currently still alive. They're 16 years old. So they're teenagers now, but most of the stuff about
Julian
Wow. [inaudible] Yeah. [inaudible] Nice. Hey, can you, that's so fascinating because it speaks a lot to like the nature of thought.
Trace
them happened when they were younger and they were children. So now I imagine they want more privacy. They're getting to be adults. But they still are attached. One of the stories they had that their mom said is they'll be sitting quietly and all of a sudden one will grab a snack and give it to the other one because they were thinking about... Yeah. Apparently.
Julian
You know, like could my thoughts be understood by another person, right? If they could like tap into it? And I imagine them, you know, growing up together probably helped that.
Trace
Yeah, if all of a sudden you had a thalamic bridge.
Julian
Like it'd be interesting if you could now tap into my thoughts. Like yeah, like would they be indecipherable for some reason?
Trace
I don't know.
Julian
I don't know.
Trace
I mean, I feel like the brain is good enough at pattern recognition that even if for some
Julian
I mean I feel like the brain is loaded with math and mathematics that even if you don't
Trace
reason our brains work slightly differently, eventually we would figure it out.
Julian
read the part of the book you're playing, then you can still do that. Yeah, you could probably eventually kind of crack the code of what I'm thinking, yeah.
Trace
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just through experience, be like, "I'm hungry." You know, you'd eventually
Julian
That's just my theory. Mm-hmm. I'm not a...
Trace
figure out that that's what that means just based on the behavior that you would do next.
Julian
E-C-T. Yeah, or like just thoughts of, you know, maybe they're totally inconsequential, like,
Trace
Yeah. More like, "I'm hungry."
Julian
I don't like that the socks that he's wearing today, you know or something eventually like if you could figure out like hey
Trace
Yeah. "I'm hungry." Yeah. "I'm hungry."
Julian
You don't think those about my socks. I like these mean a lot to me. These were an anniversary gift like
Trace
Yeah. "I'm hungry." Yeah. "I'm hungry." They have videos of them saying stuff like that where they're like, "How do you like being attached to your sister?"
Julian
Yeah, you wouldn't be able to hide it right so what would be the point this almost relates to your like lying
Trace
And they're like, "Oh, she's annoying." And then they're like, "Oh, but I love her anyway." And then they like hug each other and stuff and it was really cute. Yeah, true. Yeah, because like you couldn't hide things from each other at all.
Julian
question from a while ago? I wonder if that's not really a good thing. But I really do have to try to find it. I'm seeing how people are trying to get into this role. They're a big player in the space. But now I'm like, "Oh, they can't. They are doing it all the time." So, yeah, I am a little bit scared.
Trace
And I wonder, that's not really discussed in any of the things I could read about them, But I wonder if they do have like covert thoughts, like private thoughts that they have for themselves. Because aside from seeing out of each other's eyes, controlling the limbs that they share, they can also share senses of touch and taste. But that requires apparently work. Like they can't, they aren't just doing it all the time. So if I am one of the twins and I am eating, I don't know, a cherry, the other one, I can
Julian
[AUDIO OUT]
Trace
think to them, "Hey, this tastes really good. You should taste it." the other twin has to actively be like, "Oh, I'm gonna hop over and like,
Julian
Let me come on over there to your mouth. [AUDIO OUT]
Trace
"taste it out of your mouth." Oh yeah, it does taste nice. You know, it's like, they aren't actively picking that up all the time, which I think is just wild. Her mom was quoted saying that you can tickle one
Julian
Huh. [ Inaudible ]
Trace
and the other one laughs, you can pinch one and the other one will cry. When they were 11, an article read that they play together, they annoy each other, they support each other, they like the Power Rangers. So they're just normal people who happen to also share really interesting connection. And they also have different personalities. So they can read, they can write, they go to school, they go skiing, they can swim, they have a bike that they can ride that's like designed special for them. But they have different personalities. So Tatiana or Tati
Julian
Poor, poor Krista has to get dragged along with Tatiana everywhere.
Trace
is outgoing and she's high strung and Krista is shy and relaxed and like tells jokes. *laughs* Yeah. *laughs* Right. Well, at least maybe she could think that she wants to go home and you would know it,
Julian
My wife and I are like that where I'm the extrovert and she just really does not like social gatherings. So imagine that but she could never elect to stay home. Like she always... Maybe she thinks that she's involved in something. That'd be nice.
Trace
like, inherently. You could, like, feel that.
Julian
Or maybe she could just bring along a pair of noise-canceling headphones in a book or something
Trace
That would be nice. *laughs* I wonder about that. I wonder about that.
Julian
and not really be involved in whatever's happening. Yeah, there's no way she's going to do that.
Trace
Like at some point, you know, they're going to want to do things completely separately.
Julian
Maybe she's just going to say, "I'm not involved in anything."
Trace
I wonder if they'll, I mean, maybe they have no experience of being separate. Like for them, this is the only experience they've ever had.
Julian
There was there was that other documentary called stuck on you. Yeah, that was
Trace
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Julian
That was about Conjoined twins and they have a reference at one point to one guy being like a star hockey player and you know me
Trace
I mean you just hire a really big goalie isn't that fine I don't know what the rules are
Julian
I love hockey and I was like, how's that gonna work? And then they show them after they get separated and he the turns out the star hockey player twin was a goalie And so he's like standing in the wrong half of like one half of the net like off to the side Because his other twin used to just get hit by the pot. It's like, okay, that's pretty good That's
Trace
but you know, great question.
Julian
There's no rule that says you can't have one gigantic goalie now I don't know about if conjoined twin counts as having two players on the ice. I don't know great
Trace
Depends on that. That gets to kind of why I wanted to focus a bit on Krista and Tatiana Hogan,
Julian
Mm-hmm
Trace
because it gets to the challenge of our sense of self, which I think this
Julian
But if you're all
Trace
question does too. If we were all controlled by one massive consciousness, would we be individuals?
Julian
Would
Trace
Would we have a sense of self?
Julian
They're not all
Trace
Tati and Krista do have senses of selves, but they're not controlled by a separate consciousness.
Julian
They said
Trace
They are instead two separate beings who are connected through this bridge.
Julian
Hmm
Trace
So this brings me to animals with multiple brains.
Julian
What animals have multiple brains oh
Trace
How do they work? Leeches. They have 32 brains.
Julian
Wow, they should be in charge
Trace
Yeah. And leeches are interesting because they're segmented, right?
Julian
They'd have to
Trace
They're actually fascinating creatures. they have the best anticoagulant in the world that we know of. We actually cannot make an anticoagulant
Julian
[AUDIO OUT]
Trace
as good as what leeches make naturally, some species.
Julian
[ Inaudible ]
Trace
And so they'll latch onto you and you won't know they've latched on 'cause they release an anticoagulant to keep the blood flowing and a very mild painkiller so you don't know that they're there. And they're anticoagulant like I said, it's the best. Read about leeches, they're cool. So leeches are a type of organism that have segments and each segment has its own brain. It's not really a brain, it's bits of ganglia, like bits of brain tissues. But the segments are connected. So it's sort of like one brain, but in 32 little segments.
Julian
It's a distributed brain?
Trace
Yeah, it's a distributed brain, which insects also have.
Julian
*inaudible speech, cut out and restarts*
Trace
We see that in some insects,
Julian
Wow
Trace
like there's a brain in the skull and then ganglia running along the body, which is why if you like cut the head off a cockroach, it could still run around for like days. Like they think they can actually get them to live like weeks just with no head, they have enough ganglia to kind of do some stuff. Mosquitoes are the same, where they have a brain in the skull and ganglia throughout the abdomen and stuff. And it gives them great reaction time,
Julian
[AUDIO OUT]
Trace
which is important if you're an insect. You don't want the animal that you're trying to prey on, your, say, a mosquito, to get you. So you have to be able to get out of the way. There are other animals with multiple brains. For example, cuttlefish, they have three brains, and they do different things. So one might be for eating, one might be for camouflaging, and one might be for movement. They coordinate, but they aren't run by a central brain. For that, you'd need an octopus. They have nine brains, one in each arm
Julian
One in each arm, right?
Trace
and one in the central part of their body.
Julian
Cephalopod...
Trace
Yeah, the cephala.
Julian
The cephalopart? The foot head part? Yeah, the cephalopod.
Trace
I think that's the official name.
Julian
I think that's what it is.
Trace
Yeah, foot head.
Julian
Well, they're cephalopods, right? That means foot head. Foot head!
Trace
So they have this federal government in their head
Julian
Yeah. So they have, like, a spectral...
Trace
and then a bunch of local governments in their arms.
Julian
...head. Ah, I see.
Trace
And they divide the control.
Julian
They're the bicep...
Trace
That's how I like to think about it. And they actually tested the arms
Julian
...actually, that's the part...
Trace
to see if they could navigate a maze on their,
Julian
...that's the... I
Trace
not like cut one off and see if it could go,
Julian
Hey, oh
Trace
but they, to have kind of this local control
Julian
Yeah
Trace
versus central control. And it turned out the central brain
Julian
They went rogue
Trace
knew what the arms were doing, but sometimes the arms just did their own thing. So I wonder when you see like video of an octopus
Julian
Yeah
Trace
and they're just kind of like, their arms are kind of like swirling around, like sort of in this beautiful motion, but they don't seem to be really coordinated, that might be that the local arm is in control.
Julian
It's like the Doctor Strangelove hand where it just does whatever it wants and you're
Trace
And then when they all move together, like they're swimming, that might be central brain control. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, my, yeah, everyone's dad. The cephalopod, I think, was the closest
Julian
not really in charge. It's an old-timey reference. Your dad will get that reference, listener. [AUDIO OUT]
Trace
I could find where it's like a central consciousness that controls all of these other things. But it did seem within the octopus research that what they found is that that central brain does most of the work when they're coordinating, but the arms can kind of do their own thing when they're separated. Even if they're cut off from the octopus, they still try and find food, but they try and put it back into the mouth of the octopus that's no longer attached to, so it doesn't really work.
Julian
They're so dedicated. They're also in a sweat.
Trace
There are also animals, by the way, with no brains, just fun sidebar, like sponges.
Julian
I know, I've met some. Riding my motorcycle over here, I think I saw a few.
Trace
Okay, okay.
Julian
Haha, LA traffic joke. But like, fun.
Trace
But like sponges, they actually have no brain.
Julian
This is the end of the show. Have a great day.
Trace
They have some brain tissue, but they have genes that code for brain tissue, but they
Julian
Peace. Wow, so even though Patrick Star is the dumb one,
Trace
don't actually have it. Yeah, that's right.
Julian
SpongeBob doesn't have a brain. Yeah. Whoa. That's why he's so happy!
Trace
He's brainless. Acting on instinct. Yeah.
Julian
Oh my gosh, it all makes sense now!
Trace
- Yeah, ignorance is bliss. (laughing)
Julian
(indistinct)
Trace
So if we were controlled by one massive consciousness,
Julian
[AUDIO OUT]
Trace
what can we learn from all of these
Julian
[ Inaudible ]
Trace
kind of scientific animals? We've got an octopus, totally works, all of the things feed the central purpose. The Tatiana and Krista Hogan, they have their two separate thoughts and they aren't really controlled by a central consciousness, but I think what we can learn from them and what I think answers this question is they are very empathetic to each other. They know what each other are feeling and thinking. So maybe if we had one massive consciousness
Julian
[inaudible]
Trace
and we also somehow had some independence, like an octopus arm, we would be doing our own things until the central consciousness need us to do something. But in doing so, we would also feel more empathetic toward each other and we would maybe have more understanding and more sharing, maybe less fear.
Julian
Who's in charge of the central consciousness?
Trace
Great question.
Julian
[inaudible] Don't know. Is it like a democratic, like-
Trace
Don't know. It's you, Julian. You are the central consciousness.
Julian
Is yes, I knew it. I knew I was destined for big things. I would just use it to feed myself snacks
Trace
Yes, I keep on eating. [Laughter] Well, I mean, you'd have billions of snacks, constant possible snacks from all over the world.
Julian
I would just have people delivering snacks Yeah, I'd probably have to find true tune it
Trace
[Laughter]
Julian
So like somebody like on the other side of the planet doesn't just suddenly sit bolt upright and go like I gotta get him
Trace
[Inaudible]
Julian
Some Doritos and like I'm running
Trace
Yeah. I thought about that too.
Julian
I thought of that too, if you were on a date, like, you could just like, think about it.
Trace
that too. If we were all connected in the way that like Tatiana and Chris are connected, you could just like think hard and be in Paris, but you'd be like in someone seeing through
Julian
Like if you're like in someone's team, like eating at any restaurant in the world in any
Trace
someone else's eyes or like eating at any restaurant in the world at any time that they're
Julian
specific, you could think of eating whatever.
Trace
open. You can just think about it and you'd be tasting the food in whatever person happens
Julian
Yeah, you just quantum leap into there.
Trace
to I think it. Yeah, yeah, I think the thing about this is what would happen is it would
Julian
Yeah, I think the thing about it is what would happen is you may realize this in your life.
Trace
make us realize that we are not individuals at all.
Julian
That at any given time in your life, at any given moment, someone is going to be trying to be a
Trace
That at any given time, and I've thought about this my whole life, at any given moment, someone is doing probably the exact thing that you are doing, almost to the detail.
Julian
sexist. And you're going to be like, "Oh, I'm a sexist." And you're going to be like, "I'm a sexist."
Trace
You know, someone is playing the same video game, maybe not at the exact same point, but
Julian
Like, same thing with gay. Maybe not a sexist, but like, look stupid.
Trace
like close to it, someone's, you know, pooping, same time you are.
Julian
Someone's going to poop at the same time you are. You know, someone is coughing, sneezing, bleeping, eating, eating, saying things,
Trace
You know, someone is coughing, sneezing, sleeping, eating, eating the same thing you're eating,
Julian
Yeah, the implications are are wonderful and horrifying
Trace
like, because there are billions of us. So if we were all connected, basically anything you want to do at any time, you could probably do. It'd be very unlikely. Yeah, yeah, it really is.
Julian
It would make solving murders so easy
Trace
So on some level, it would be awful. And yet, we're sort of trying to do that.
Julian
Yeah, right
Trace
I guess you could just be like, who did this?
Julian
Just think about like Plug into the consciousness and see who's got a memory of committing murder
Trace
Yeah, I guess it would still be like a brain though at the end of the day.
Julian
Yeah, I guess it would still be like 3, but it would be like 6.
Trace
So you'd have to like think about where was I on Thursday?
Julian
Mmm, yeah, you'd have to refine the search a little bit.
Trace
And you'd get nine billion Thursdays. Yeah, and I don't know how we would do that without technological help, which brings me
Julian
Which brings me to the next bit of my story.
Trace
to the next bit of my question.
Julian
Oh, I was going to ask if there's some technological way of doing this!
Trace
Yeah, and so right now we don't have any technological way of reading thoughts.
Julian
Yeah, and so right now we don't have any technology. We have a software, like there are API programs that we use.
Trace
Like there are AI programs that claim to and there are things that we think that we can
Julian
[AUDIO OUT]
Trace
do. And there are people working on BCIs, brain computer interfaces, that can connect two people together. They have done experiments where somebody moves someone else's arm or like a rat tail using a brain computer interface. So all of that is totally doable. However,
Julian
Yeah, so all of that is really cool. However, BPI [AUDIO OUT]
Trace
BCIs are risky, can cause infections, get removed immediately upon the sign of any infection whatsoever. You can't just implant it and wirelessly connect to each other yet. So the
Julian
[inaudible]
Trace
So the question is, in a hundred years, could we? In a thousand years, will we?
Julian
Who would sign up for it, though?
Trace
- Right.
Julian
Yeah, like what you get from [inaudible]
Trace
- Yeah, like what do you get from it other than you can experience all these things? But at the same time, if you ask somebody in 1900 who would sign up for Instagram, like to see photos of other people, it's not even that now, who would sign up to see short video clips of other people doing things? They might not be interested.
Julian
It does sound when you put it that way it does sound a half step away from just plugging into like I wonder what this
Trace
Yeah.
Julian
Michelin restaurant in Paris like and then just like tapping into somebody eating there
Trace
And if you're in Insta thought, you could just like, I'm a log into Insta thought and
Julian
Yeah Th ou gh t not th ot right because there's a lot of instant thoughts
Trace
see what's going on in Morocco today. I mean, there would be a first, it's like rule 34.
Julian
That already exists, yeah, we've got into the thought
Trace
There would definitely be Insta thought. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Julian
like that's something else they did actually
Trace
But you could just feel it. Like that's something else I did actually think about, you know, adult style.
Julian
the results of that yeah
Trace
like if you wanted to get laid and you had a brain connection to everyone, someone's
Julian
yeah yeah yeah
Trace
banging right now, in whatever way you want to be banging.
Julian
no i thought of that not gonna lie
Trace
And to be honest, if it were a social network, there'd be people who would be doing it constantly
Julian
and to be honest if they had done that first there would be a lot of things that
Trace
because they'd be being paid to do it.
Julian
would have been
Trace
Be like, "Oh, we always have to have somebody somewhere doing this."
Julian
the only thing that would have happened yeah we're
Trace
And well, it gets a little weird.
Julian
instantly going dystopian aren't we Oh, man. But I just want to end on that. Sure. Imagine, like, it might be here, but imagine it's here.
Trace
But I do want to end on a positive note.
Julian
This is how they get, like, we're thinking of it as a house piece. But if you think, like, focus, they can really put a feel to it. Yeah.
Trace
So imagine though, like it might be scary, but imagine if you could share more than just
Julian
They don't just, like, paint the house. They can really put, like, a touch to it. So, I think, like, I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point.
Trace
experiences which is sort of how we're used to seeing it.
Julian
I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point.
Trace
Like we're thinking of it as the apps we have.
Julian
I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point.
Trace
But if we think of it like the Hogan's, they can feel each other's feelings.
Julian
I think it's like, okay, they can really feel. - Yeah.
Trace
They don't just like taste and see and move.
Julian
- They don't just like, (audio distorts)
Trace
Like they can feel each other's feelings on a level that we can't.
Julian
Whatever you want.
Trace
So imagine if you could share the feeling of your sports team winning. whenever you wanted, you just tap into somebody who's like,
Julian
- Yeah, I don't know. (audio distorts) Like, my team or my track record, I think that they are.
Trace
my sports team just won this, or I just graduated from this thing that I'd worked at forever. I bet you the things that we would value would be much more feeling-y and emotion-y than they are like, oh, I recorded myself
Julian
So I recorded-- Hey.
Trace
in a janitorial bucket flying down the road. It would be like, I just spent 50 years doing this thing
Julian
--like, I-- --think that was like totally crap.
Trace
and succeeded today. And if you could save that emotional feeling, holy crap would people want that. You know, the payoff would be huge.
Julian
Yeah. Listen, as a Sharks fan, I would give anything to feel the feeling of my team winning something,
Trace
I get it. I grew up in Michigan. Okay. Sports references aside, we were lions people.
Julian
okay? I would pay so much.
Trace
I get it. I grew up in Michigan. Okay.
Julian
I don't care if you can read my thoughts and see me naked when I'm in my private spaces,
Trace
Sports references aside, we were lions people. I would pay anything to be able to see my son. I would pay anything to be able to see my son. I would pay anything to be able to see my son. I would pay anything to be able to see my son. I would pay anything to be able to see my son. I would pay anything to be able to see my son. I would pay anything to be able to see my son.
Julian
I so badly need that team to win a championship.
Trace
I would pay anything to be able to see my son. I would pay anything to be able to see my son. I would pay anything.
Julian
I want to know how it feels.
Trace
And on that happy note, I think that answers the question.
Julian
- It's time to know. - Yeah. - I think that the question,
Trace
You know, what if all humans shared the same brain?
Julian
what if all humans were the same?
Trace
We would feel more empathetic.
Julian
Aesthetic, like, sexist,
Trace
We might be more connected if it were internet-y or like technological,
Julian
and, would you be able to tell?
Trace
you know, it might change everything in terms of how we interact and what's valuable. Could be really cool.
Julian
Or like, would you be able to tell?
Trace
Could be really awful. Like, kind of anything.
Julian
- Would be both, yeah.
Trace
Yeah, both.
Julian
There's potential for both. Wait a minute!
Trace
(gasps)
Julian
I had a thought! If you did want to hide your thoughts from somebody, what if you thought in a different
Trace
- Wouldn't they just be able to speak it too?
Julian
language they didn't speak? Probably.
Trace
'Cause they just tap into that.
Julian
Dang it! *GASP*
Trace
It would just be like all of the brains everywhere are just software. It'd be like the Matrix sort of.
Julian
And you know Kung Fu?
Trace
Like you just know, yeah, 'cause somebody else knows it.
Julian
*SCREAMS*
Trace
So you just tap into it, right?
Julian
I like this, I'm all for it.
Trace
(laughs)
Julian
I've com-radically changed my opinion now. I'm- I was on the fence.
Trace
Well, I'm glad 'cause. I'm glad cuz in that brownie earlier was a chip
Julian
No more. I wanna know Kung Fu. *laughing* Oh my- It was a pill! Oh no!
Trace
Did in an end in an end in an end and wait, where's the bonanza theme again?
Julian
*laughing* And now I kick you across the room. Once we cut audio, we'll have a Kung Fu fight in the studio. *laughing* *laughing*
Trace
And then we're fighting
Julian
*laughing* *laughing* *laughing* *laughing* Thanks for listening to that episode of The Slapped. I hope you enjoyed it.
Trace
Thank you guys for listening to that's absurd. Please elaborate. I hope you enjoyed it this week's episode
Julian
This is a reference to a three-part thing, typically art.
Trace
We want to thank specifically our two question askers one from anonymous
Julian
One is from Alston. Yes, and the other from Samara D.
Trace
Thank you so much for submitting those questions if y'all want to submit questions you can do it looking in the show notes
Julian
Thank you. You all want to submit? Art.
Trace
There's a form or you can go to our website. That's absurd show calm
Julian
Art.
Trace
You can also listen to the show there if you like every episode is there as well as art that we make for every
Julian
So, first of all, thank you for having me on this podcast. As well as art. I'm going to be sharing some music with you.
Trace
Individual episode of our show that we create just for you just to give you a reason to go to our website
Julian
I'm going to be doing a speech. Just for you. Just to give you a review. Just something visual for our podcast media.
Trace
We're we came from YouTube, okay, we have no idea how to do audio
Julian
[laughter] I have no clue what's going on.
Trace
I'd like to thank all of you for listening. I'd also like to thank you Julian for being here and being our co-host and
Julian
I'd like to thank all of you for being here. Oh, thanks, Grace.
Trace
Also our editor Kyle sisk
Julian
And all of our editors.
Trace
We don't let we know
Julian
Play the Bonanza theme. [laughter] We don't have the rights to that, don't play that. Marimba music away!
Trace
Thanks again for listening, we will see you in two weeks for our next episode.
Julian
[laughter] Marimba me out! [laughter]
Trace
